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<h1>vim.org maillists</h1>
<p>
	A few notes about using the maillists:
</p>
<ul>
  <li>Before sending a message check the archive (see below),
      <a href="search.php">search</a> the Vim pages and the
      <a href='http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/vimfaq2html3.pl'>FAQ</a>;
       your question may have been answered already.</li>
  <li>Do not send messages in HTML.  You will be flamed!  Every decent mail
      program has an option to switch off HTML.</li>
  <li>Attachments are allowed, but keep the total message size below 50
      Kbytes.  Otherwise upload your file somewhere and send the URL to the
      maillist</li>
  <li>The maillists are hosted by Google Groups.  The @vim.org addresses are
      aliases.  For some things you need to use the original @googlegroups.com
      address</li>
  <li>For subscribing and unsubscribing you can send an empty message to the
      address mentioned in the table below.  You will get a message back with
      instructions how to confirm.</li>
  <li>Mention your full name, so that we know who we are talking with.</li>
  <li>Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.<br>
      Why?<br>
      Please do not use top-posting when replying to a message.<br>
      That is: type your reply below the text you are replying to and remove 
      irrelevant text from the original.  </li>
</ul>

<A NAME="vim-announce"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-announce@vim.org</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
      Announcements only. New releases, important patches and bug
      reports. Change of important mail and web addresses. 
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-announce-subscribe@vim.org'>vim-announce-subscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      You cannot post to this list, only Bram can.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-announce-unsubscribe@vim.org'>vim-announce-unsubscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
       See the vim_announce <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_announce">Google Groups page</a>.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      The vim-announce list is very low on traffic.<br>
      Mail sent to this list is also sent to subscribers of the vim,
      vim-dev, vim-mac and vim-multibyte lists, no need to subscribe twice.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Atom/RSS&nbsp;feeds</th>
    <td>
    <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_announce/feeds">http://groups.google.com/group/vim_announce/feeds</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      since July 2007: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_announce/about">Google Groups</a>.
      <br>
      all times: <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce'>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimannounce</a>
      <br>
      before July 2007: <a href='http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=vim-announce&r=1&w=2'>alternate</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>

<A NAME="vim"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim@vim.org</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
      This list is for Vim user support.  You can send general questions
      to this list to be answered by other Vim users.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-subscribe@vim.org'>vim-subscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim@vim.org'>vim@vim.org</a>; you must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-unsubscribe@vim.org'>vim-unsubscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
       See the vim_use <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use">Google Groups page</a>.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
	You should consult the
	<a href='http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/vimfaq2html3.pl'>FAQ</a>,
	<a href='tip_index.php'>tips archive</a> and the
	<a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim'>mailing list archive</a>
	before posting to avoid duplicating often-answered questions.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Atom/RSS&nbsp;feeds</th>
    <td>
    <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/feeds">http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/feeds</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      since July 2007: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_use/about">Google Groups</a>.
      <br>
      all times: <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim'>Yahoo groups</a>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.vim">Gmane</a>
      <br>
      before July 2007: <a href='http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=vim&r=1&w=2'>alternate</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>

<A NAME="vim-dev"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-dev@vim.org</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
      Bugs, new features, and other development issues are discussed on this list.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-dev-subscribe@vim.org'>vim-dev-subscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-dev@vim.org'>vim-dev@vim.org</a>; you
      must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-dev-unsubscribe@vim.org'>vim-dev-unsubscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
       See the vim_dev <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev">Google Groups page</a>.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      If you aren't writing bugfixes or extensions to vim, or at least
      reporting an apparent bug, this probably isn't the right list for
      you.  Use questions should stick to vim@vim.org, above.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Atom/RSS&nbsp;feeds</th>
    <td>
    <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev/feeds">http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev/feeds</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      since July 2007: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_dev/about">Google Groups</a>.
      <br>
      all times: <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev'>Yahoo groups</a>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.vim.devel">Gmane</a>
      <br>
      before July 2007: <a href='http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=vim-dev&r=1&w=2'>alternate</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<P>

<A NAME="vim-mac"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-mac@vim.org</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
      This list is for discussing the use and development of Vim on the Mac OS.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-mac-subscribe@vim.org'>vim-mac-subscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-mac@vim.org'>vim-mac@vim.org</a>; you
      must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-mac-unsubscribe@vim.org'>vim-mac-unsubscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
       See the vim_mac <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac">Google Groups page</a>.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      This is for Mac-specific questions about using, compiling and coding.
      Generic use questions should stick to vim@vim.org, above.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Atom/RSS&nbsp;feeds</th>
    <td>
    <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac/feeds">http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac/feeds</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      since July 2007: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_mac/about">Google Groups</a>.
      <br>
      all times: <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-mac'>Yahoo groups</a>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.editors.vim.mac">Gmane</a>
      <br>
      before July 2007: <a href='http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=vim-mac&r=1&w=2'>alternate</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>

<A NAME="vim-multibyte"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-multibyte@vim.org</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
      This list is for discussing Vim support and development for
      multibyte encodings, such as Big5 and Unicode.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-multibyte-subscribe@vim.org'>vim-multibyte-subscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-multibyte@vim.org'>vim-multibyte@vim.org</a>; you
      must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-multibyte-unsubscribe@vim.org'>vim-multibyte-unsubscribe@vim.org</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
       See the vim_multibyte <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_multibyte">Google Groups page</a>.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      Low traffic.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Atom/RSS&nbsp;feeds</th>
    <td>
    <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_multibyte/feeds">http://groups.google.com/group/vim_multibyte/feeds</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      since July 2007: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim_multibyte/about">Google Groups</a>.
      <br>
      all times: <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-multibyte'>Yahoo groups</a>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
      <br>
      before July 2007: <a href='http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=vim-multibyte&r=1&w=2'>alternate</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>


<h1>third-party lists</h1>
<p>
	Please let us know of any Vim-related mailing lists that we've missed!
</p>

<p>
<A NAME="vim-on-rails"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-on-rails@googlegroups.com</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
	This list is for discussing Ruby on Rails development using Vim.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
      See the vim-on-rails <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/vim-on-rails">Google Groups page</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
	Includes any platform (Windows, Linux and Mac).
	Discuss anything related to Ruby and Ruby on Rails development
	(migration from TextMate, HAML/SASS, RSpec, Cucumber and etc...)
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>
<A NAME="vim-vms"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-vms@polarhome.com</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
	  This list is for discussing the development of Vim on OpenVMS.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href="mailto:vim-vms-subscribe@polarhome.com">vim-vms-subscribe@polarhome.com</A>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href="mailto:vim-vms@polarhome.com">vim-vms@polarhome.com</a>;
      you must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-vms-unsubscribe@polarhome.com'>vim-vms-unsubscribe@polarhome.com</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-vms-info@polarhome.com'>vim-vms-info@polarhome.com</a>
      to obtain information, or use the web interface at:
      <a href="http://www.polarhome.com/mailman/listinfo/vim-vms">http://www.polarhome.com/mailman/listinfo/vim-vms</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      This is for questions about compiling and coding for Vim on OpenVMS. Non
      VMS related use questions should stick to vim@vim.org, above.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      <a href='http://www.polarhome.com/pipermail/vim-vms/'>http://www.polarhome.com/pipermail/vim-vms/</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>
<A NAME="vim-fr"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-fr@yahoogroupes.fr</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
	  This list is for Vim user support, in French. You can send general
	  questions to this list to be answered by other Vim users.  In other
	  words, it's just like <a href='#vim'>vim@vim.org</a>, but in French.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-fr-subscribe@yahoogroupes.fr'>vim-fr-subscribe@yahoogroupes.fr</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-fr@yahoogroupes.fr'>vim-fr@yahoogroupes.fr</a>; you
      must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-fr-unsubscribe@yahoogroupes.fr'>vim-fr-unsubscribe@yahoogroupes.fr</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-fr-owner@yahoogroupes.fr'>vim-fr-owner@yahoogroupes.fr</a>
      to obtain information.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      &nbsp;
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      <a href='http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-fr'>Yahoo groups FR</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>
<A NAME="taglist"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>taglist@yahoogroups.com</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
	  This list is for the Vim
	  <a href="http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273">taglist plugin</a>.
	  The taglist plugin is for browsing source code with Vim.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:taglist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com'>taglist-subscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:taglist@yahoogroups.com'>taglist@yahoogroups.com</a>; you
      must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:taglist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com'>taglist-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:taglist-owner@yahoogroups.com'>taglist-owner@yahoogroups.com</a>
      to obtain information.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      &nbsp;
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/taglist'>Yahoo groups</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>
<p>
<A NAME="vim-synch-dev"></A>
<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" border="0">
  <tr class='tableheader'>
    <th colspan='2'>vim-synch-dev@yahoogroups.com</th>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Purpose</th>
    <td>
    Development of extensions to Vim to allow SubEthaEdit functionality.
    This is editing the same file with several people.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>To Subscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-synch-dev-subscribe@yahoogroups.com'>vim-synch-dev-subscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>To Post</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-synch-dev@yahoogroups.com'>vim-synch-dev@yahoogroups.com</a>; you
      must be subscribed to post!
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th nowrap>To Unsubscribe</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-synch-dev-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com'>vim-synch-dev-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Help</th>
    <td>
      email <a href='mailto:vim-synch-dev-owner@yahoogroups.com'>vim-synch-dev-owner@yahoogroups.com</a>
      to obtain information.
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='roweven'>
    <th>Comments</th>
    <td>
      &nbsp;
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr class='rowodd'>
    <th>Archive</th>
    <td>
      <a href='http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-synch-dev'>Yahoo groups</a>
    </td>
  </tr>
</table>

<A NAME="help"></A>
<h1>maillist help</h1>
<p>
For help on using the Vim maillists go the to the "help" page, as mentioned in the table above.
<p>
You may wonder why the lists at Google Groups use an underscore, while the
lists @vim.org use a dash.  This is for historical reasons.  The lists were
first created on our own server, using dashes.  When the server died we moved
them to Google Groups.  Unfortunately, some of the names were not available
there.  We used an underscore for all the lists, so that at least it is
consistent.
<p>
Note that the aliases @vim.org support both a dash and an underscore, but if
you send something to @googlegroups.com you need to use an underscore.
<p>

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